their name because they got divorced, people who voted for 70 plus years and now don't have the fold i.d.'s with their current address on it and are disenfranchised. we're disenfranchising millions of voters, while they cost millions of dollars and they're a solution in search of a problem. >> let me ask you, for example when they're doing a punch of voter rolls because people, they don't want non-citizens voting, how are they determining who is a non-citizen or not when they look at names on a list. is it just who's got an exotic sounding last name like a latino name? how do they know? >> so, really, they -- you would have to look at each state's process to determine how they're doing it. the biggest problem is with the accuracy of the list. so people are appearing on lists who may be weren't naturalized 10 years ago and that's how they ended up on some list but now are naturalized five years ago, one month ago yesterday, if they're currently a naturalized citizen, they should not be having their eligibility questions but a lot of these lists are too old to be used in this fashion. if you'